biden. you have to watch and see whether she's going to run. if she runs, an altered the landscape dramatically because she's so strong. >> would you tell martin o'malley if they asked you your advice, is it worth doing it, is it worth trying the uphill battle that it's going to be. you found yourself in that situation, tougher to raise money, tough to get people, because they all jumped on one of the two front-runners in the race that you were involved in. >> yeah, i would say go for it. i'm different than other people. i would say to the o'malleys, to joe, cuomo, others contemplating it, out west and montana, my friend brian i think is a viable candidate. i would say, you know, dip your toe in. don't -- never say never. but, you know, do some polling. do some travel. iowa and new hampshire is so important because they're so early. if she gets in, obviously, she is an immediately strong front-runner. probably the strongest front-runner we've ever seen moving early in a presidential race. bu